Bellevue Just Too Much For Union As Titans Lose 35-6 In WIAA 3A Football Finals

Written by Bryan Levesque on December 6, 2008

#18 Mitch Saylor. Photo by Tom Castle, M.D. Provided courtesy of

After knocking off the #2 and #3 ranked teams in the last 2 weeks, the #4 Union Titans had high hopes to knock off the #1 Bellevue Wolverines in the WIAA 3A Football Finals.

Bellevue had other ideas.

The Wolverines scored 14 in the first and 14 in the second to take a 28-0 lead into the half. Bellevue did not pass once in the first half as they were able to keep the Titans off balance with the near perfect execution of the Wing T offense.

Union preformed much better in the third quarter forcing Bellevue to punt a few times.

In the 3rd quarter, Bellevue struck again taking the 35-0 lead.

Union did manage to drive late in the game and Junior RB #42 Nathaniel Penaranda ran in from 6 yards out.

It is hard to end the season with a 4 touchdown loss, but going 13-1 and finishing 2nd in state is quite the accomplishment.

Union who themselves defeated #2 Ferndale and #3 Lakes can stand on the fact that they earned the honer of the 2nd best school in 3A. Bellevue tonight was clearly the best team. Keep in mind that there are 68 High Schools in the state of Washington that play football in 3A.

Read More – The Columbian

Bellevue 35 Union 6

Union 0 0 0 6 6
Bellevue 14 14 7 0 35

First Quarter
Bell — Eric Nelson 3 run ( Houston Hubert kick )
Bell — Peter Nguyen 89 run ( Houston Hubert kick )
Second Quarter

Bell — Freddie Levine 27 run ( Houston Hubert kick )
Bell — David Nguyen 41 run ( Houston Hubert kick )
Third Quarter

Bell — Tommy Castle 15 run ( Houston Hubert kick )
Fourth Quarter

UNI — Nathaniel Penaranda 6 run ( kick failed )


Rushing – Bellevue, David Nguyen 8-167; Peter Nguyen 16-152; Tommy Castle 3-12; Freddie Levine 5-85; Eric Nelson 1-3; Jamal Atofau 2-21; Sean Coley 2-0; William Bissell 1-3; Will Fields 1-1; Joe Joe Conner 2-4. Union, Blake Russell 10-33; Nathaniel Peneranda 5-37; Brandon Weller 8-(minus 11); Tyler Coad 1-2; Zak Browning 2-5; Mitch Saylor 2-21.

Receiving – Bellevue, Taylor Anderson 1-34; Jamal Atofau 1-4; Union, Saylor 7-106; Peneranda 2-11; Coad 1-6.

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147 Responses to “Bellevue Just Too Much For Union As Titans Lose 35-6 In WIAA 3A Football Finals”

  1. knute on December 6th, 2008 11:54 pm

    Union players and coaching staff; THANK YOU! for an amazing season! One that I will never forget! Don’t let the last game get you down. You ran into a nationally rated, super motivated absolute buzz saw who held nothing back. Maybe in a few weeks it will sink in just what it was that you all accomplished together. Congratulations!

  2. tarlus on December 7th, 2008 3:07 am


  3. tarlus on December 7th, 2008 3:14 am

    SPAINWA i liked your ex on dec 3 that you gave about the wing t HOW WOULD YOU STOP BELLEVUES WING T?

  4. spainwa on December 7th, 2008 8:21 am

    Hi Tarlus. Wasn’t me. Not sure who did it. Take care.

    That was one incredible team Union played yesterday. When you play someone that good, it shows all the areas a team can improve on. Good Luck to next year’s Titans.

  5. Michael H on December 7th, 2008 10:21 am

    It would be an understatement to say that Union exceeded expectations. What they did was unprecedented. I bet they received an awfully warm reception when their buses arrived at the school last night.

    As for those of you rubbing it in or saying “I told you so,” you only get a pass if you are 18 yrs old or younger, otherwise you really need to grow up.

    This is just the beginning for Union Titan football. Believe me, they will be much stronger next year after this experience.

  6. Titan mom on December 7th, 2008 10:43 am

    Union I am so proud of you guys! You had an incredible season and have nothing to hang your heads down about. Nobody, even many of us parents, did not expect you to make it as far as you did. Many of us are now trying to figure out what we are going to do in the coming weeks. You know that we stand behind you 100% and are looking forward to supporting you next year. Bring on the tailgates!!!!!!!!!!!
    Bellevue….wow! You guys were awesome! There were several times that I swear the ball moved magically to another player! You guys were all that everyone said you were and more!

  7. Kiki on December 7th, 2008 11:05 am

    Thanks for an amazing season. We broke stereotypes and doubts that people placed upon us. You played hard and we could tell. Every single person in that crowd meant it when they yelled “We are proud of you say we are proud of you” and “we still love you” because we’re all proud of what you accomplished this year. Most of the people in the stands wouldn’t have experienced even a playoff game (let alone a state championship) if you haven’t done all that you’ve done this year. I can’t wait to come down to visit family and friends and watch titan football next year. You can bet that I’ll be there for you guys next year at the Dome.

    Bellevue played great and awesome job to the players. Looking forward to seeing Scott Adsit start for you guys next year.

  8. Camas fan on December 7th, 2008 1:39 pm

    Welcome back down into the gshl union. You broke out and climbed all the way to the top of the ladder, but couldn’t hold on. I saw the camas v union freshman game and the camas v union varsity game, don’t be 100% sure you’re going to have an easy ride into 9-0 again, even with an incredible team like you do. Congrats on the season and well see you again next fall.

  9. Michael H on December 7th, 2008 1:54 pm

    Camas Fan,

    Quit being a scum bag with the negativity. I can’t believe the negative comments in here as well as the Columbian after this team’s loss last night. Take your losses to Union this year (and next) like a man. Appreciate we had a team make it to the finals.

  10. Michael H on December 7th, 2008 1:55 pm

    What’s the worst thing is just the timing of the negative comments. It’s a complete lack of class and about as pathetic as it gets for human nature…

  11. FerndaleFan on December 7th, 2008 2:36 pm

    Although Union lost yesterday, I can’t help but say “Congratulations” to your team for a successful season. You gave Ferndale our most exciting GAME of the year; but you gave your fans an amazing SEASON!!!

    Keep your heads up and be proud of all you accomplished. Use this year’s loss to fuel your motivation and focus for next year. I’m sure you’ll be back in the playoffs.

  12. Camas fan on December 7th, 2008 3:02 pm

    wow… Everything in that paragraph was true and honestly not meant to be negative.

    Everyone at union is already saying there going to the dome next year and I needed to call that out. Unions closest victory was by 5 points, to camas. Camas freshman beat union freshman. We lost 4 games by a total of 21 points, union lost 1 and by 29 points. ’07 Camas 49 Union 21. Your ego is so big after 2 years your rival is already a pushover even though your record with them is 1-1. It’s not us who are the scum bags.

  13. Camas fan on December 7th, 2008 3:03 pm

    And I did congratulate your season.

  14. your mom watches football on December 7th, 2008 3:32 pm

    Why would you feel the need to call it out?

    Wouldn’t it be incredible to have an all-GSHL championship game, something on the order of this year’s Skyline vs. Issaquah match.
    Can you imagine Union vs. Camas in the dome?
    Now that would be something to see.
    Let’s work towards that, why don’t we, and quit with all the rest of the nonsense.

  15. Eowyn on December 7th, 2008 3:51 pm

    Seriously, GREAT JOB UNION! YOU ARE ….. TITANS!!! Bellevue was the BEST high school offense I’ve ever seen. They are top-class and deserve every ounce of their reputation. Having said that, Union went all the way, when NO ONE expected them to. I watched every Freshman game this year, not just the Camas one (nod to Camas fan), and they were AMAZING, talent all the way to their 3rd and 4th stringers, who still held the upper hand against every team they played (though sometimes they only played for 3-5 minutes). Union is in a great spot to keep building a formidable program, maybe even something on the scale of Bellevue’s at some point. Only a handful of the Varsity’s players are seniors, so A LOT of the talent returns next season. Losing that championship game is just going to make everyone coming up even hungrier. Finally, I just hope this year’s team really and truly understands what a phenomenal job they did this year. WE LOVE U!!

  16. 40 on December 7th, 2008 3:54 pm

    quit being so self rightous Michael H.

  17. Titan Mom on December 7th, 2008 4:57 pm

    Union Varsity players and Coaches, Thanks for the amazing ride to the top. You are exceptional and have nothing to hang your heads about. Keep them high like a Titan would. As for the Freshman team, You also are great, had an amazing season and very much looking forward to you growing and possibly being in the same position as the Varsity team in a couple of years

    You all did a fantastic job. Be very proud of all your hard work.

    Go Titans!!!!!!

  18. Camas fan on December 7th, 2008 5:03 pm

    Im not basing my entire opinon about Union off of one person, that comment was more towards Michael H. I would love to see a championship game between Camas and Union at the dome. I loved watching the Camas Union game this year. It just bugged me that most people in the comments are saying stuff like “I’ll be at the dome next year” when you titan fans might be watching a Bellevue Ferndale game there. It’s not just playoff teams like Lakes or Ferndale that are your only competition, you still have to beat 9 of us first. Camas is never going to give up a victory easily.

    On a side note, Union is probably always going to have a home field advantage playing Camas because everyone is smart enough to know that Doc Harris stadium barely seats the home fans, so they couldn’t fit the game there. In comparison, Doc Harris’ home bleachers are the size of McKenzie’s away bleachers… Pretty sad. We need a dome in Clark County.

  19. Camas fan on December 7th, 2008 5:32 pm

    I wont predict a score for next years Camas vs. Union game, but I will predict this…

    Camas (8-0) at Union (8-0) 8pm at McKenzie

    I’ll be there

  20. Michael H on December 7th, 2008 6:02 pm

    Camas fan,

    Your original comment was negative in nature, which made your last sentence about Union having a good year seem less than sincere.

    I apologize for using the word “scum bag,” or sounding like I was directing all of it towards you, but I was sickened by the negative comments towards Union this morning in The Columbian and on this site. You just don’t do that to those kids after the way they lost last night. It’s uncalled for. If you want to talk crap about beating Union or saying they are beatable or whatnot, wait a little while. Let things cool off, or wait until it is somewhere near next season.

    As for the Union/Camas game, the game may have appeard close in score, but that was after a comeback. My friend nhat was at the game (who let’s just say was once a coach and knows something about football) said Union had its way with Camas, and probably let up on them in the second half.

    You can call me self rightous and single me out as acting like scum, but I’m GOING to stick up for those guys against the ridiculous negative losers that bash them right after they just got basically humiliated in the state championship game.

    It isn’t about Union v. Camas in the state playoffs, it’s about supporting Vancouver high school football. And barring major injuries to several key players, and the team literally not showing up to the game mentally, Camas WILL NOT beat Union next year. And I played at Evergreen and love Camas’ coahces. I will not say they make it to the Dome, but they are extremely motivated now for obvious reasons…

  21. Michael H on December 7th, 2008 6:11 pm

    I root for all the Vancouver schools when they make it to the playoffs. I’d root for Jon Eagle and Camas, too, with just as much enthusiam. But lay off. Camas’ time will come. If it is any consolation, Camas fan, after next year, when Weller, Russell, Saylor, T. Nelson, and heck, most of the good players on this year’s team graduate, Camas will have a very good chance in 2010. And yeah, Camas needs to improve upon that stadium, that’s for sure. They sure made the school itself nicer.

  22. Coach on December 7th, 2008 7:06 pm

    I cant belive all the name calling from Camas fans give credit were credit is due.Union had a great season and should be very tough next year, Camas will be a tough game for Union next year, they just need to get a better defense and not play from behind all the time. lets show the teams up North that the GSHL is a tough league and that they can play with any team up north. Good job Titans.

  23. Camas fan on December 7th, 2008 7:59 pm

    If I didn’t care about our leagues football teams I wouldn’t be commenting on this site. I checked back here for all the standings and even to see how Union was faring in the post season. I read the comments from ferndale and lakes, everyone said the same thing. “A GSHL school doesn’t have what it takes to play against championship schools from our league”. Bull. Union proved them wrong and now maybe people will look at us with a little respect next season. 4 teams were undefeated in the playoffs this year, Union was ranked #4. Why? I don’t get it.

  24. Kiki on December 7th, 2008 8:13 pm

    … Why? You just answered your question in your post…

  25. Camas fan on December 7th, 2008 8:18 pm

    Hoping people would figure out there’s a stereotype… I already new the answer…

  26. 40 on December 7th, 2008 8:20 pm

    Your posts make sense most of the time MH, but saying that Camas/Union was not a close game is laughable. Was the 1st half pretty much all Union, you bet. The 2nd half was a different strory, and it wasn’t because Union ‘let up’ on Camas. Ask any Football coach/player if they would ‘let up’ against a rival, in a close game. Let’s not forget, Camas had the ball down only 20-14 at one point in the 4th quarter. The fact is, Camas and Union are both good teams and after watching the last 2 Fr games between the two schools, both will continue to be good for years to come. This has become the best rivalry in clark county after only 2 years and will just keep getting better, and I hope Camas wins every single year.

  27. knute on December 7th, 2008 8:42 pm

    Camas had a fluke pass deflection for a TD & a phantom field goal that wasn’t even close yet somehow was ruled good. That game was not as close as the score may indicate. How pleasant was it to not have to deal with the Camas crowd for the past few weeks? Also, it’s my understanding that the much discussed Freshman game – which is important why? ended on a blown call that went Camas’s way. Camas has been relegated to 2nd best in Clark County and they pounce on the very first day that they can run their nonsense that they possibly could – hilarious!

  28. Union on December 7th, 2008 9:15 pm

    all i know is that zack browning (#21) will still be here in two years running the balls down camas’ throats and throwing people to the turf. if you dont know what im talking about watch the second half of the lakes game. point being, union’s talent will keep flowing..especially now. people are going to want to come to union to play football. thats just the way it is and the way its going to be.

  29. B on December 7th, 2008 11:17 pm

    okay, apparently camas is missing something from the UNION vs. CAMAS game. Union in the first quarter did not capitalize 3 times when they were in the red zone. Not because of camas defense, because the running and recieving game was all over camas but because lack of execution. If Union did capitolize then the game would have been 47-21. Just think about that for a second. Also Union will be losing 1 lineman next year on offense and 1 wide reciever. Blake Russell, Nathaniel Peneranda and Zack browning a triple threat are all coming back. Union also has a greater expierence now and expecations than anyother 3A school down here in washington. Because they expierinced bellevue they know what they must step up to and no other team can say that for themselves. oh and mitch saylor and brandon weller will be back as both are dual threats to running and recieving and throwing. The offense is stacked. Union JV has more expierience and knows what it takes to fill in the shoes of the varsity for next year our of so much practice this year. If you think next year will be close which who knows right now but keep in mind. Union has greater expieince and talent than any other school in GSHL right now.

    Oh and about the freshman coming up beating union for 2 years. 2006 freshman from Evergreen 7-0 Vs. Mountain view 7-0 went head to head and evergreen won league champs. Evergreen from those starting freshman took 20 out of the 22 starters on offense and defense to union and mountain view took 14 out of 22.. just think about that. And over what will become 3 years of playing VARSITY time together of the unions varsity team coming back is a bond that no team can say they have. Your unbeatabke freshman aren’t the only ones.

    Camas is credited with some talent I cannot lie but you cannot excuse the fact that union is going to be just the same as last time. You have no idea what they have been through no one has beside the team and coaching staff. You do not understand or comprehend the desire. This is where union exceeds camas, camas so far you have talked about is beating us.. union has looked at taking a trip back to state and know what it takes to get there. camas thinks they know what it takes to beat union thinking bout what happened this year. But don’t understand how much greater union has become since that game, union knocked off No.2 in state and No.3 and considered to be the under dog. Can camas say that? can camas say they know what it takes to get back to state? can camas say that union is going to be just the same? and union can’t think the same either but I know for a fact UNION is no [pansy] in this GSHL region to be talked about like this.

    P.S- I know we been congratsed but, it still doesn’t erease what happened to me and the feeling i have that sits in my gut or the teams gut about the bellevue game. Camas don’t think were going to be like last year or the same. please cause you cannot comprehend how big and how hard and how fast were going to get going to play going to desire. just pisses me off about how people can think what they know what they are talking about when they cannot speak from expeirience.. i can. The DOME expierience eats ate me and drives me for what I’m doing next year.

  30. zem on December 7th, 2008 11:56 pm

    I’m not here to kick your boys when their down. Game went exactly as I thought, Union had a great season. Congrats.

    Also, whats the name of the receiver who played with a broken hand the entire playoffs? I give him my compliments.

  31. Titan mom on December 8th, 2008 6:24 am

    Everyone….let’s just chill out and enjoy what a great year of football that it has been for SW Washington. The outcomes are not going to change just because we keep hashing out every play of everygame that has already happened. Is Union going to be tough next year? They should be, look at the talent coming back. Is Camas going to be tough? Probably, it sounds like they are pretty thirsty for some tough competion next year. All of the guys, Camas and Union, need to capitalize on what has happened this season and train even harder in the off season. Let’s show the rest of the state that SW Washington can and does play great football. Also, I would like to thank Camas for allowing our boys to practice at their field for the last two weeks. That is the way that a community works together! And Camas should also know that half of the state thinks that Union is a Camas school. Look at the broadcasts on FSN…..Union Titans from Camas, WA. Is that where the true rivalry is coming from?
    Best of luck next year to all of the SW Washington teams. Let’s get all of our seeds to the quarterfinals and show the rest of the state!

  32. Sean Michaels on December 8th, 2008 9:42 am

    Union High School Football
    Fan Appreciation Letter

    To All The Players & Coaches:
    We would like to thank each and every one of you for providing many days and hours of great fun and excitement for those of us in the stands. In our hearts you are still number one.
    Fret not one game score, look at it as an opportunity for building a great team for next year. We as fans are already eager to see the next season get started.
    Thanks again for your hard work & dedication to excellence!!!

    The Fans

  33. Michael H on December 8th, 2008 9:52 am

    Let me make it clear again, I have nothing against Camas. In fact, I would like more than anything to see Camas’ coaches (former Evergreen coaches) to get over the hump and make a deep run in state.

    Personally, I would love to see both Union and Camas turn into powerhouses. But as a football fan in general looking at it objectively, Camas is nowhere near what Union is right now. Camas lost to Evergreen, and River (?) as well. I wasn’t at the Camas/Union game this year, but I trust the guy that gave me the lowdown on that game. If Union played Camas with the same type of intensity and focus and preparation that they did for Ferndale/Lakes, that game would be 49-0. And who does Camas have coming back? I thought they lose Beasely and that receiver Varsek. I just don’t see what Camas is going to do to be the next Ferndale/Lakes kind of team next year.. Let’s be honest. It was take a total shocker.

    I just didn’t think the comments towards Union were appropriate at this time. It was a lot worse in The Columbian forum. Have a little compassion and appreciate what they did. I know for a fact several Union players check this site. Imagine yesterday morning being one of them and having to read this crap. I hated seeing Union completely crush Evergreen, but I grew to appreciate what Union is all about.

  34. Michael H on December 8th, 2008 9:55 am

    Zem says it perfectly:

    “I’m not here to kick your boys when their down…”
    I’m assuming some of those people that posted in The Columbian read and post here too..

  35. U Fan on December 8th, 2008 10:23 am

    Our Union Varsity players have NOTHING to hang their heads over and so much to be proud of! They exceeded by far anyone’s expectations and all I can say is JOB WELL DONE! As for our Frosh Football Team, again, all I can say is JOB WELL DONE! Here is your notice…the upcoming freshman talent at Union is top notch. This is one phenomenal football program and we’ve only just begun! Go Titans!

  36. tarlus on December 8th, 2008 12:03 pm


  37. tarlus on December 8th, 2008 12:05 pm


  38. Titan parent (not a football parent) on December 8th, 2008 12:38 pm

    I have been thinking how I can sum up my thoughts on this year and Sean Michaels put it perfectly. I will add this one thing…. those who R not Union do not understand what our Titan community and school are about.
    So I’ll sum it up.
    and I for one am proud to be a Titan parent!

  39. 40 on December 8th, 2008 1:05 pm

    Some of you (not all) are crazy. No one has come in here saying that Union is not tough or did not have a great season. Its like some of you think that because you had a great season, and will return ALOT of players, everyone else should just lay down and concede next years league title to Union. You are getting all worked up because a Camas person said, Nice job Union, you almost made it to the top, but fell a little short, and watch out next year because we are gunning for you. If this offends you, boo hoo, heres a kleenex.

  40. LT on December 8th, 2008 1:22 pm

    camas fan,

    you are nothing short of ignorant. yes on the scoreboard, camas was technically the closest game of the year, but in reality it was by no means close. you guys mounted a serious comeback after the titans lost focus.

    and as far as a union v camas state championship game… there was that chance this year. its just camas failed to get past the 1st round. AGAIN.

    this rivalry has built up to something great. cant wait to watch it for years to come. but as far as these next few years are concerned it will without a doubt be one sided in favor of the “university of UNION” as some people claim we call ourself.

    thats simply a compliment.

    please just dont pop off ignorantly and arogantly about things you have no knowledge about. the titans did amazing things this year. playing together for 9 games before mounting this amazing ride this season.

    UNION is by far the best team in SW washington. returning a phenom of an offense and a hard nosed well coached athletic defense. while camas returns grindy, faulkner and smitty for good players.

    TITAN PRIDE. and nothing else. union is like america… you had better be damn proud to be a titan, and if you dont like it you can leave.

  41. fedup on December 8th, 2008 1:48 pm

    Great showing, Titans! Your school and community should be very proud of your accomplishments this year. To be honest, after watching the “Bellevue Buzzsaw” at work on FSN, I think they would have given us (Ferndale) SERIOUS trouble if we had swapped places with Union. The conditioning program of Bellevue must be insane. Some of the blocks and tackles against a physically larger Titan team were amazing.

    I was also very humbled by the efficiency and coordination the Wolverines displayed game day and it goes to show how much ALL of our teams need to focus on what it’s going to take to knock Bellevue off the mountain!

    I hope we’ll be trading comments on this board next year for another matchup and spainwa, your son looked great out on the field. It was a pleasure meeting you at the Ferndale game and I trust I’ll meet another great Union supporter next year if the cards play out…

    Congratulations to all of the teams this year – it was a great season!

  42. 40 on December 8th, 2008 1:48 pm

    No one has a shot next year against union because there has never ever been a team with superior talent lose a game to a team with less talent.

  43. fedup on December 8th, 2008 1:57 pm

    Excuse me “40″, tell that to Prosser…

  44. Michael H on December 8th, 2008 2:49 pm

    40, the only way Union will lose to a GSHL team is if 1) a few of the key contributors are hurt; 2) there’s several fluke touchdowns and turnovers; and 3) Union takes the team extremely lightly. It will probably take at least 2 of the scenarios above, and no. 3 is very unlikely. They may be thinking state/dome/playoffs/Ferndale/Bellevue etc., but I highly doubt that. Anything’s possible, but it’s kind of silly to get your hopes up for a win. Lakes and Ferndale were VERY tough and VERY talented, and both would have gone undefeated in GSHL (with the exception of if they played Union, of course)

  45. Michael H on December 8th, 2008 2:50 pm

    Skyview’s coaches were at the championship game to videotape the game and scout in preparation for Skyview’s season openeer next season against Union. My friend joked that Skyview probably thinks they can beat Union after how badly they lost to Bellevue. Sure, just run Bellevue’s Wing T like bellevue and with Bellevue’s players… ha.

  46. 40 on December 8th, 2008 3:06 pm

    you obviously dont understand sarcasm fedup.

  47. F27 on December 8th, 2008 3:10 pm

    I heard the Wing T offense over at Fort Vancouver is starting to come around. Union might be a little worried about that…

  48. fedup on December 8th, 2008 3:27 pm

    Not yours, 40. I don’t recall you using it before, lol!

  49. bob on December 8th, 2008 3:36 pm

    Evergreen is gonna beat union

  50. Michael H on December 8th, 2008 3:46 pm

    My new obsession is how do you stop Bellevue’s Wing T. Nothing should be unstoppable. They can be beat. I have a feeling Union coaches will be working on that this summer even, along with everything else.

  51. 40 on December 8th, 2008 4:09 pm

    what are you talking about fedup, I use it all the time.

  52. fedup on December 8th, 2008 4:19 pm

    Hee, hee…back atcha, 40!

    Btw, we both know that sarcasm is the lowest form of humor, right…?

  53. Camas fan on December 8th, 2008 4:46 pm

    Whats going to happen to Union in 3 years? I am a freshman at CHS so I’ll be there to witness that game, so… What are you gonna do when all your good players are long gone?

  54. fedup on December 8th, 2008 4:53 pm

    Well, Camas fan, the way it works is THOSE players are replaced with NEW players that get trained and this whole big football cycle keeps going around and around and around…

    …sorry, some of 40′s sarcasm must be rubbing off on me.

  55. Camas fan on December 8th, 2008 4:58 pm

    Too bad OUR players will be better than YOUR players.
    I can say that because technically I’m not insulting this years union team.

  56. zem on December 8th, 2008 5:14 pm

    Michael H,

    I have spent five years trying to figure out how to stop it and still don’t have a definitive scheme. All in all, you need to win the battle at the line of scrimmage.

    Preferably you’d want to go with a three man line( I know, I know, this is what Union used and was destroyed using it) your three defensive linemen take on the responsibilities of eating up blockers and not allowing them to get to the second level. In the 2006 title game I saw Kennedy use a 3-5-3, with a 330 pound D tackle, a 280 pound defensive end and I forget who the other end was(maybe Everett Thompson). You need a smart and fast linebacking corps that can shed blockers if need be. Whats most important is that your line does not allow Bellevue’s linemen to get to the next level, you have to win the line of scrimmage and let everyone else flow to the ball. 2 of the 3 teams I’ve seen do well against the wing t run it themselves,(ferndale, kennedy) so familiarity is also key.

    Follow the guards, the guards will dictate where the play is going 90% of the time. Bellevue likes to run behind their best blocker, they flip their blockers a lot if you didn’t notice saturday night, they will move their best linemen around and run behind him.

    Throw off the timing, do anything to make them uncomfortable in the backfield.

    Don’t bite on the bs.

    Thats all for now.

  57. Michael H on December 8th, 2008 5:31 pm

    That’s some good stuff, Zem. I haven’t watched video of the game yet. I don’t know if I will. Too painful. It seems like you have to get really wide so they can’t go around you with their speed, yet you can’t let them go right up the gut either. It’s just crazy. Maybe instead of sitting back frozen WAITING for them to come at you you have to ATTACK them and get in their backfield. Have your guys on the outside just waiting to blow them up. But what do I know, Union’s coaches thought of all of this plus more… I think the coaches will talk to the coaches of the teams that beat Bellevue. Try to get more tape of them against the teams that beat them. But again, if you don’t have the players, it’s awfully difficult. BUt i still think Union has the guys to do it. They were mostyl juniors. Remember that. I think in that second half they really slowed them down, even in the third quarter when it was still starters. I don’t know how much of that was beacuse they were up 28-0, though… But I think Union can figure it out. It just got out of control way too fast for them to catch up. Rematch WILL be different if it happens.

  58. Michael H on December 8th, 2008 5:35 pm

    It’s kind of funny because that Wing T is for the teams that are at an athletic disadvantage. I don’t know why those guys have to run it. If Union actually knew who had the ball, it would have been a much much tougher time for bellevue. I think in a way Bellevue is a bunch of wusses for running that offense. Trickery and finesse stuff. Maybe that sounds crazy, but you know what i mean.

  59. ut on December 8th, 2008 6:17 pm

    what you dont understand camas fan is that OUR COACHES ARE BETTER THEN YOUR COACHES. and that kids will start transferring in to play for them whether you like it or not. I CANT WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR WHEN WE BEAT YOU BY 50. WOW.

  60. Camas fan on December 8th, 2008 6:51 pm

    Ok… The paper mill just caught on fire… Now were the Camas Ashes…


  61. snyder on December 8th, 2008 7:40 pm

    Bellevue are they on steriods or from california? They are not from washington, so where do the coaches from bellevue get thier players?? Or do the parents in bellevue just pay the coaches to get the kids to play that way??

  62. spainwa on December 8th, 2008 10:01 pm

    Thanks Fedup,

    Good to meet you. Best of luck to your son next year. I forget, is he going to be the last to leave the nest ?

  63. rrmartin on December 8th, 2008 10:10 pm

    Michael H, Bellevue runs an offense that gives them the best chance to win football games, the same goal as every team out there, and at some point, every offense has an element of deception.

  64. knute on December 8th, 2008 11:34 pm

    Snyder, if you didn’t see the article in the Columbian about this I will recap it for you. Bellevue’s booster club pays their coach $55k to keep him in town. But, before you get too upset about this seemingly unfair inequity you must consider the following:

    First, this is not against WIAA rules so every other program has the same opportunity to supplement the stipend the coach receives from the school.

    Secondly, this Coach has been instrumental in developing a jr. league program which runs the wing T offense beginning at age 7. He is still very active in the development of the kids at this level as they are the next generation of wolverines and as we saw last Saturday, this level of comittment has definately paid off long term for this program.

    Finally, this Coach has done a good job of soliciting top names from the game of football to volunteer their services to the program. Rick Neuhiesel after his departure from UW for one, and this year former Seahawk Paul Moyer who also has a Son on the team.

    The Coach is not connected with Bellevue High in any way other than as coach of the football team. He actually got promoted from the Jr. program up to an asst on the HS staff, which ultimately led to head coach.

    He obviously has a vision for his program and has demonstrated unwaivering dedication to the kids. It is said that he maintains contact with his players and cares deeply about them well after their HS careers are long over.

    Are there some excesses at Bellevue? I would have to say yes. Is it really important to not only have the best program in the state, but to be consistently 5 TD’s better than the next best school? This would probably classify as an excess. But is arguable that is more likely a byproduct of excellence.

    No one is a bigger fan of Union Football than me, but it is impossible to not hold this coach and the program he has built in the highest esteem.

    My suggestion is to opt up to 4A next year. I know Camas will miss us, but the fact is that Union stands a much better chance of beating the likes of Skyline, Issaquah & Bothell than we ever do of beating Bellevue.

  65. zem on December 9th, 2008 12:04 am


    Bellevue is one of the most physical teams in the state. That offense succeeds because their players are exceptionally strong for their size, get good leverage, and win at the line of scrimmage. It seems that Union supporters don’t really understand how Bellevue’s program was built. The second one season ends, the next begins. They play physical football and hit like trucks. The wing T can be a soft offense, but not the way Bellevue runs it. Obviously you haven’t experienced it.
    I’m not a huge fan of the wing T because it is limited, especially when the team is trailing. I think there is an element of bs and trickery too it, but in that case, so was Nebraska’s option when they were monsters, and they were one of the most physical teams i’ve ever seen, or when Oklahoma ran the wishbone. An offense can be based on misdirection and still be inherently physical. Physicality is rooted in the principles of the program.

  66. zem on December 9th, 2008 12:06 am

    knute, are you implying that Bellevue runs up the score? If so, that is a naive and misguided notion.

  67. bellevue on December 9th, 2008 1:24 am

    ive read a few of these comments and started to actually laugh at the ignorance of some of these people. Michael H has such a strong opinion but has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

    “It’s just crazy. Maybe instead of sitting back frozen WAITING for them to come at you you have to ATTACK them and get in their backfield. Have your guys on the outside just waiting to blow them up.”

    do you know anything about football in general???

    however there are some who know their stuff, such as knute, and coming from bellevue and knowing the football program he is the only person who has a slight idea of the truth behind bellevues dominance.

  68. knute on December 9th, 2008 7:28 am

    Zem, if that’s what you got from what I said then I am afraid that you and I are not going to be able to communicate. Perhaps you should go back and read every word I said slower. Let it sink in, then think about it, let it digest and then NOT write back.

    There are plenty of excesses that I did not mention. But, here’s why; every negative thing that is brought up about Bellevue is answered with ‘it’s legal’. Yeah, playing a 20 year old a few years back was legal, and accepting transfers in from all over the place is legal. Paying the coach through the booster club is legal, Taking advantage of every loophole in open enrollment and having the most waivers in the state is legal. But, it murders the spirit of the rules. So, much like their offense, the program itself seems is also based on a little speed & deception.

    All this is done why? To be the best in the State? No, to be FIVE touchdowns better than the 2nd best team in the state. Congratulations, you brought an AK47 to a fist fight.

    95% of what I said was very complimentary to the coach & program. As i resisted bringing up these issues that sw wash. fans probably don’t know about, but Seattle area fans have been howling about for years. I didn’t want to drag the fine folks down here into what Bellevue has ‘legally’ pushed everyone else into. Instead I chose to say that the coach & program should be held in the highest esteem and suggested that Union opt up to get away from this program, as this was the high road.

    To think that there is nothing to be critical about Bellevue is insane. So, which one of us is naive or misguided?

    Opt up, Union.

  69. Michael H on December 9th, 2008 9:15 am


    You’re right, I don’t know anything about football when it comes to stopping Bellevue’s Wing T. That was my whole point. I’m at a loss for how to stop it. But I have watched and played football all my life, so I wouldn’t say I don’t know anything about football in general. And I’m more for an attacking defense than one that sits back frozen and is slow to react. HOw is that not knowing anything about football?

  70. Michael H on December 9th, 2008 9:32 am

    Zem, they win because they magically get loads of D1 recruits each year and win with deception and running around like chickens hoping they can’t find the ball. They are no more physical than Union.

  71. bellevue on December 9th, 2008 10:51 am

    bellevue was not more physical than union micahel H??? have you watched the game film. go and watch the game film again and see what happens each time a bellevue LB meets and union RB in the hole, then watch what happens each time the QB got sacked or the RB got tackeld. This will give you a reason why not only union didn’t score on bellevues first string, NOBODY scored on bellevues first team string the ENTIRE PLAYOFFS, i have never heard of anything like that and to say that union was just as physical is absurd.

  72. bellevue on December 9th, 2008 10:53 am


    first team*, not first team string sorry

  73. bellevue on December 9th, 2008 11:08 am

    and about bellevues magical D1 recruits, bellevue has one player playing D1 football next year (a LB going to WSU), you still have not idea what your talking about. Their players are so good because their next year’s football team will start weight training and conditioning next week, that is why they will continue winning.

    I am guessing that you are a sore union high school player or fan that cannot take defeat, sorry

    And to knute, bellevue doesn’t try to beat the 2nd best team in the state by 5 touchdowns, their only goal is to win state each year, sorry that no other 3A team works as hard and is on their level.

  74. Zem on December 9th, 2008 11:57 am

    Knute, I’m going to respond, deal with it. The implication is that there is something wrong with being five touchdowns better than the second best team in the state. Is that correct? I couldn’t fathom that someone would find the fact that they are significantly better than the second place team a bad thing, so naturally I thought you meant they were running up the score.

    I am quite familiar with the way Bellevue does things, and at no time have I said that there is nothing to be critical about. Perhaps you should go back and read.

    Bellevue works as hard as they possibly can and tries to play perfect football, if that means they are five touchdowns better than everyone else in the state, then that is no fault of their own. History tells us that they rarely win the title game by a wide margin, especially after other programs began mimicking their offseason workout program. You can’t frown upon a program trying to achieve excellence, they are trying to emulate what De La Salle built in California and in turn has raised the bar for all of the high school programs in the state.

    The 20 year old goon was unforgivable, I really hope Bellevue’s head coach realizes he sold his soul for a state title that they wouldn’t have won without that goon, and it does make one wonder what other transgressions have taken place there. I know Hasty wasn’t a saint.

    I am rarely critical of Bellevue because I like the way the football team is run, I like the family atmosphere they promote within the team, the fundamentally sound and physical style of football they play. I find the way their schemes are designed defensively to be fascinating. Its a fine academic school and the kids are pushed to be excellent in the classroom and on the field. I don’t think its about excess at all, rather excellence. They’ve made mistakes, but I am not tremendously phased by it, maybe because I played for a far more excessive(if you want to use that term) high school way back when where everything was technically “legal”.

    Michael H, stop being bitter. They aren’t loaded with D-1 recruits. You really don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t stop a wing T with manic blitzing, you stop it by reading and reacting. I told you how to stop it, get in the weight room starting today, thats a start.

  75. tarlus on December 9th, 2008 12:09 pm

    CAN WE JUST ALL GET ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

  76. knute on December 9th, 2008 12:26 pm

    Michael H, let’s not get too carried away. I didn’t see a ton of D1 prospects out there for Bellevue. As I have pointed out, they have in the past petitioned and received numerous transfers, some of which have gone on to the next level. But, just as I am quick to point out the negatives, you cannot minimize the positives about this program.

    The kids work hard all year and coach has them focused on the mental aspect of the game. They feel as though they will out-physical you and out-mental you. To say that they stack the deck, is probably not an honest statement. To say that they maximize every possible angle is probably more likely. Again, this is a byproduct of excellence.

    We are talking about High School football here, which is really more my point. Bellevue is a public school and should serve the community that it is located. Not become some kind of crazy athletic dynasty or football factory. Where is the fun in being insanely dominant? Why is it so doggone important to them?

    Have your junior program, push the kids in the weight room. But stop with all the other excesses and come back down to planet Earth.

    Why was there so few Bellevue fans in the stands than Union? This is a tradition rich program, which was an hour shorter drive than ours. Where is the crazy support one might reasonably expect to see from such a powerhouse program playing in the penultimate game of their emotional season? Were they home, holding their noses as yet another sucker got punked by the uber-serious, life or death high school football team who maximizes every conceivable angle to enhance their chances of complete annihilation because simply winning is just not good enough.

    The model that Coach Butch has created is admirable, and I’m not suggesting the excesses are because of him. If someone wanted to pay me $50K to do something that I would have otherwise done for free, shoot yeah i’d take it. As long as it were within the rules, which it is. So, I would suspect that it’s the over-zealous booster club that is behind much of the shenanigans.

    The split second I see this type of behavior begin to pervade the Union program I will be gone as a fan. Which is too bad, because I believe that with the level of support from the community, the tremndous facilties, excellent coaches, parents that are active & supportive and most of all great kids who prepare all year and play with heart & pride. Union could be a very special program and wont have to bend any rules to do it.

  77. Zem on December 9th, 2008 12:45 pm

    I don’t agree that they have a “win at all costs mentality”, the players set the goals and the rules for each season. It isn’t a domineering environment, it is essentially self governed by the players.

    The booster club for Bellevue has some of the same people that UW’s Tyee Club has and operates the same way, lots of deep pockets.

    As for fan support, their first three titles, they had good fan support, now it seems like an old hat and there is complacency with the fans.

  78. bellevue on December 9th, 2008 1:11 pm

    where did this ” life or death idea that winning is not good enough.” You are you assuming that because they win so much that they want more than to win state. The reason their fans are so lackluster is because they have won the last 6 out of 8 state titles, for a bellevue fan a state title is expected, not anything special or new like some of these schools who have never been there. Because bellevue wins so much much it is so easy to pin them as a target, i have heard it all

    They recruit!
    They run the wing T and its cheap!
    Their program is too hardcore and not fun!
    They have sooo many D1 recruits!
    They cheat bla bla bla

    Anytime you are at the top you are going to have shots taken at you, end of story.

    But all the hating just makes them stronger, so keep it coming.

    go bellevue, state champs!!

  79. knute on December 9th, 2008 1:14 pm

    Zem & Bellevue, Thank you for engaging comments. You have supplied us with some insightful information about Bellevue, and I for one appreciate it. You have also done it with a respectful tone, except for Zem initially but he has rallied.

  80. fedup on December 9th, 2008 1:29 pm

    Zem and knute, you bring up an interesting point. As I watched the playoff game on TV and the camera cut to a shot of the Bellevue cheer squad in the 4th quarter, it looked like they were on the losing team. No passion, no cheering – just flatline. Contrast that to a shot of Union’s fans and they were going nuts – yelling and screaming with that cotton-pickin’, roof-raising, wall-of-sound marching band!! That is a sincere compliment, Union.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but I’m pretty sure the Union fans heard our much smaller fan base(an 8 hour round trip drive away) at the Ferndale playoff game. It’s all about genuinely caring about the players on the team and the coaches and making an effort to support them – not just financially.

    When over half of a town’s population turns out to football game on a Friday night – thats something special. Perhaps it’s a small town thing. I sincerely hope not. I’d like to see the entire stadium filled at each high school game every game night. Those teams deserve our support – win or lose. They bust their butts conditioning and practicing all season and we should honor that commitment.

    Spainwa, my son has one more year with the Golden Eagles and I still have a younger daughter at home for 5 more years. I get to shift to cheering tennis matches with her. I’ll still support the football team. You know – once it’s in your blood….

  81. Zem on December 9th, 2008 1:54 pm

    City teams don’t get as good of crowds, just the way it goes. Go to a Rainier Beach game, you’ll see maybe 100 people there and that is a consistently winning program
    In the 90′s, Bellevue had great crowds, but like I said, success has spoiled them.

    I played a playoff game up in Ferndale something like ten years ago, I remember we went out for warmups, an hour before the game, grass field, old stadium, a big eagle at midfield, the stands already filled, it was just buzzing. Ferndale got the ball, went right down the field, and Cody Boyd(anyone remember this horse?) caught a touchdown pass, the place just exploded. That was what high school football should be like. As much as I’d like to forget the beating they laid on us, I’ll never forget that.

  82. fedup on December 9th, 2008 2:02 pm

    Yep, Zem, you experienced “Ferndale Pride” – sorry it was on the other end, lol! I got out of work early this year to stake out seats at 3:30 in the afternoon for our classic rivalry game against Lynden. An hour before game time the temporary bleachers were filled as well as the majority of the track around the field. Reminded me more of ringside seats to a heavyweight boxing championship – amazing energy!!

  83. Union Dad on December 9th, 2008 5:09 pm

    There is some talk about the Wing T and why Bellevue uses it. This does not alone account for their success. I was almost as impressed with their DEFENSE. I didn’t count, but I would swear they must have had 12 or 13 guys on the field. They were everywhere!!! If I heard it correctly, their first team defense did not allow a TD in the entire playoffs. WOW!

  84. Michael H on December 9th, 2008 5:34 pm

    Again, I know all about “read and react…read the linemen/guards etc.” for stopping the Wing T. I know plenty about football. I played safety on a team they faced a Wing T team in Tumwater. I was joking about what it would take to stop Bellevue’s Wing T, because I had “no idea.” You didn’t seem to catch that.

    I stand by my opnion that Bellevue is no more physical. They jyust have more college recruits, year after year. they start lifting weights next week. Wow. A lot of teams lift weights and work out all year.

    Belleveu is a team that is able to attract top college caliber talent every single year, and they run a deceptive, sissy offense every year. They’ve obssessively practiced and performed it for years and it works for them. I just don’t call that a real offense. The military academies run that junk for a reason. But there’s no need for a team like bellevue to. I just would like to see how that game would have gone if they played man-to-man, like 95% of the rest of the teams do.

    The Columbian Sports writer said it best: “Rocky just couldn’t catch the chicken….”

  85. zem on December 9th, 2008 6:01 pm

    Physicality is shown by how well a team runs the ball. If Union was just as physical as Bellevue, then how come they couldn’t run the ball? How come Bellevue was blowing the Union defense off the line? Watch the film. Do you have to much pride to admit it? Physical play has as much to do with coaching and pad level as it does with attitude.

    Either you aren’t reading the posts, or you have your mind made up already, which would be sad, but Bellevue doesn’t have a lot of division 1 recruits on a year to year basis. This year they have 1, last year, 1, the year before that, 1, the year before that, 1, the year before that, 4, the year before that, 0, the year before that, 0, the year before that, 0. This has been posted repeatedly by people on this site but you continually choose to ignore it.
    Michael H, Bellevue isn’t Kennedy, Lakes or Odea. They aren’t chocked full of D-1 recruits.

  86. knute on December 9th, 2008 6:13 pm

    Micahael…I like you man, but you say some dumb things sometimes. Allow me to prepare you for what is RIGHTFULLY heading your way… That ‘sissy’ offense walked up, down & all over your D, so next year Union D will have to wear pink tutu’s because a bunch of sissy’s kicked they A.

    Awesome to hear from Fedup, loved the description of the band. lol! admit it Fedup, you were pulling for the U & tapping your toes to the band last Saturday, WEREN’T YOU! hey, i’m an enormous defacto fan of Ferndale now because of how you capture the spirit and convey it to people who don’t understand or have ever witnessed it. I sincerely hope to make the trip up there next year – only fair. I gotta see this eagle in the middle of the field.

  87. zem on December 9th, 2008 6:21 pm

    Ferndale’s stadium was closed and deemed unsafe last October, some rot in the beams or something. Don’t know what its current status is. They’ve been playing at Civic Stadium in Bellingham if I remember correctly.

  88. knute on December 9th, 2008 8:13 pm

    Heard all about it during our week leading up to the Ferndale game, Zem

  89. fedup on December 10th, 2008 1:06 am

    You’re right knute, I was. Say, hasn’t the Union band earned the right to play in the Rose Bowl parade or something? They really are good enough to. As far as our stadium goes, it isn’t much to look at – shoehorned between the railroad tracks and the school buildings but, man – what history it has! A simple grass field and a LOT of memories. Hopefully the beam will be replaced this spring and we’ll be good to go. Just say the word, knute, and I’ll save you (and anyone else who wants to experience Ferndale Pride) a seat, for sure!

  90. Josh on December 10th, 2008 2:04 am

    First off, Great Job Union!

    you played incredibly up to the championship game,
    and even in the 2nd half you only allowed 1 TD, so I applaud your teams valor.

    I do agree that union might have been the better team,
    but bellvue is a really physical team and played their absolute best.

    as far as bellvue not having any athleticism,
    Think about it. if bellvue didn’t have the excessively athletic Nguyen brothers that game (combined for 319 yards rushing), they would’ve only had 167 yards total for that game.

    But taking away those two would be like taking away mitch saylor for union who had a receiving total of 106 yards, which would give union a TOTAL of only 106 yards.

    Still you can see how much closer that game would be.
    I know I only took away 1 person from union and 2 people from bellvue but these were the most dominate people on each team lol.

    Also fedup,
    I’m coming to at least one of ferndale’s games next season!
    they gave union and serious run for their money and If the guy from union hadn’t blocked that kick or even ran it back for a touchdown, this past few weeks might’ve been a completely different story! with ferndale beating bellvue in the championship game…who knows!

    either way, ferndale is an exceptionally talented team and I can’t wait to see what Union, Bellvue, Ferndale, and even Camas does next year!

    p.s. I’ll be playing for camas next season,
    so I’m a little biased on my selection for gshl 3A champs =D
    but I could really care less if we do win. as long as we give the fans a good game and play the best game of our season, winning is completely irrelevant to me.

    Best of luck to all teams!
    hopefully we can all meet down the road in the playoffs some time haha

  91. Josh on December 10th, 2008 2:26 am

    Also, Just food for thought…

    Bellvue vs. Skyline


    Who would win?

    I’m taking Skyline over Bellvue 21-10.

  92. BHS fan on December 10th, 2008 12:53 pm

    Just to throw in 2 cents from a somewhat recent Bellevue Alum on a few issues.

    BHS fans: Back in 2002, when Bellevue won its first title, the turn out for games was huge, but it has sagged every year. Part of it has been complacency among the fans. Another part of it is how involved the culture of the school is. Students were heavily involved in other activities, and often felt a time crush. While this is by no means unique to BHS, it did seem like a big part of it. Another part of it is the “jock” reputation the football team would get sometimes, students on other sports teams were often resentful of how much attention the football team got. Girl’s Swim and Dive won 6 out of 8 state titles when they won in 2006, In 2001-2003, both football and girl’s swimming won state. It’s a bummer that more fans don’t come out, but sometimes I understand why. Places like Ferndale are awesome in their support.

    Transfers: BHS has a great academic (#11 in the nation around 2002-2003, always on top 100 lists it seems) reputation, plus good sports programs (not just football) and it’s in a desirable area. It attracts families. If Union keeps on having the success it has, I bet a similar phenomenon will happen. I read some of the comments on the Columbian criticizing Union for “handpicking” athletes. Go dig up articles about the 2000 Skyline team, a then 4-year old school that knocked off a Reggie Williams-led Lakes team, they got similar criticism about a new school stealing talent from other places. If Union wins State next year, the parallels between the 2 teams will be even more striking. Everyone loves to hate a winner.

    Wing-T: I’m willing to bet that people would criticize Bellevue if they ran some crazy spread or Wildcat offense as using some “wussy” gadget offensive scheme. Why risk interceptions if you can just run past the other team? We all know HS QB’s aren’t always that accurate, and a pass-happy offense often relies on the skill of the starter Sr QB for success. A wing-T lets you plug in the players you have and makes it work, helping to stress the importance of team play and not relying at a single stud at QB. There has been a reliance on certain RB’s, but even then, the other RB and FB got lots of yards as a change up.

    If you go to the Bellevue Football site, the alumni playing college ball, a vast majority of them spent their entire education in the BHS feeder schools. And they have managed to make some kids into college ball players and helped them get great educations at Ivy League and very strong colleges.

    And Michael H, find me a Bellevue team that wasn’t physical since Goncharoff took over. And find me a team that works as hard in the off-season as Bellevue, the players as a group decide what they need to do to win.

    Just to throw it out there, try reading “When the Game Stands Tall”. It’s about De La Salle HS. It’s a good read, and recent editions include the Bellevue-De La Salle game. It should offer good insight into 2 successful programs, and how you can win with a Wing-T or a more conventional (?) offfense.

    Union, great job on an awesome season, you have a ton to be proud of, and look to be a force to be reckoned with next year and into the future.

  93. Zem on December 10th, 2008 1:54 pm


    Union the better team? what the hell are you talking about?

    And why even present the argument “If you took the Nguyen brothers off the team”? Are you serious? Thats not even a viable point.

    Bellevue didn’t play their best, they shut it down in the second half, which they’ve been known to do. Did you notice how they had two outside runs called in the entire second half?

  94. knute on December 10th, 2008 3:57 pm

    He’s probably talking about the Union/Camas game, Zem

  95. Zem on December 10th, 2008 4:05 pm

    Don’t think so, consider the following quote:

    “I do agree that union might have been the better team,
    but bellvue is a really physical team and played their absolute best.

    as far as bellvue not having any athleticism,
    Think about it. if bellvue didn’t have the excessively athletic Nguyen brothers that game (combined for 319 yards rushing), they would’ve only had 167 yards total for that game.

    But taking away those two would be like taking away mitch saylor for union who had a receiving total of 106 yards, which would give union a TOTAL of only 106 yards.

    Still you can see how much closer that game would be.
    I know I only took away 1 person from union and 2 people from bellvue but these were the most dominate people on each team lol.”

  96. Michael H on December 10th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Zem, you really need to calm down and get a life.. I’m laughing at how this banter is still goign on in here today. Knute, your remark that I say dumb things has just crushed my confidence. I don’t know how I’m going to be able to go on now that you said that.

    have you ever considered that maybe I’m saying some of these things just to get you fired up? YES, BELLEVUE IS PHYSICAL. Yes, I played football for years and know all about football. I still stand by my opnion that Union works just as hard and is just as physical as Bellevue. Settle down and deal with it. It’s my opinion. Yes, Bellevue had some big hits in taht game, including a couple rag doll tackles to Union’s 5’10, 170 lb QB. Union didn’t get a lot of great hits because of Bellevue’s novelty act, chinese fire drill offense. I think it is a “sissy” offense because they are relying on you not being able to find who has the ball. HELLO. It’s like the little dork in school that hits the tough guy/bully and then takes off running. I don’t call that a physical offense. If union wasn’t frozen trying to figure out who had the ball, it’s a different game.

    I give kudos to Bellevue’s defense. Very physical. You guys have got to settle down though. Don’t freak out if someone thinks your team isn’t any more physical or is beatable. It’s my opnion. I sometimes wonder what you guys (specifically the ones calling me out by name) are really like in person. If you realyl played the game for years like I have, or are some dork-like team manager or just life long fan. Get a life and quit calling me out by name. You don’t even knwo who you are talking to.

  97. Camas fan on December 10th, 2008 7:56 pm

    Any of you Bellevue people know that the Evergreen school district allows boundary exceptions to pretty much anyone who wants to play sports at Union? They got such a good athletic program (cause of their budget) that the district didn’t feel it fair that only the east Vancouver kids got the oppertunity. Plus all the parents like the $64 million campus better than the half century old schools…

    That’s the story I was told and it made sense to me. Union got any opposition I would love to hear it.

  98. knute on December 10th, 2008 9:06 pm

    Michael, maybe the word ‘sissy’ is a poor choice of words. It’s a bit inflammatory and considering that one of the keys to this offense is winning the battle at the line, it hardly applies here. Maybe it’s a bit gimicky or untraditional but no matter what you call it, it is highly effective. Was Muhammed Ali a sissy when he used the rope-a-dope tactic against Foreman? The comparison was made here earlier about Oklahoma & it’s wishbone and Nebraska with their veer. Teams began to figure them out & stop them, that’s what must be done with the Wing T. I gurantee you it wont be stopped by calling it a childish name. Also, I thought I remember you saying that you only played one year of football and that you were a back up for an all league safety, or something like that. Hey, be a fan. Contribute all you want here, but don’t misrepresent yourself.

  99. Josh on December 10th, 2008 10:17 pm


    Yes union being the better team.

    and I don’t understand why that’s not a viable point?
    I’m just saying that if bellvue hadn’t gotten the Nguyen brothers and say they went to another school or something, they would’ve been fucked. the 319 combined yards they put up can attest to that.

    and union could have easily kept that game within a touchdown or two or even beaten Bellvue if they hadn’t played as [bad] as they did in the first half.

    and though bellvue’s offense might not be a “sissy” offense,
    if union had played with the same offense bellvue may well have been as worse off as union was.

    bottom line union wasn’t prepared, didn’t come to play, and therefore got beaten worse then they should have.

    and it’s a championship game.
    I seriously doubt the coach would have let the players “shut it down” in the 2nd half.

  100. spainwa on December 10th, 2008 11:20 pm


    If key players were somehow not on the team, it was clear that Bellevue had a number of players with the skill to run the ball. Would they be as effective ? Who knows. But they would still be an incredibly good team that would have won state. In good programs, teams make adjustments.

    To all,

    What does it matter what offense is run ? Wing T or spread or run and shoot, etc. It’s just an “offense” with the goal of getting the ball into the end zone.

    I’m for Union – what if, on defense, we had one down lineman and six linebackers up in the box and with that defense we were holding teams to no first downs and less than 100 yds total offense per game. We would think that it was absolutely incredible. Unconventional, Yes. Effective, absolutely. Same can be said about the Wing T. Hey – it works for the personnel the teams have.

  101. Titan dad on December 11th, 2008 9:03 am

    Union fan,

    Your an idiot, the evergreen school district will not allow any boundary exceptions into Union! But they will allow an exception to a Union student that wishes to attend one of the other High Schools. It comes down to the area that the student lives not where they want to go. So get real and stop the BS about all the athletes going to Union. I’m sick and tired of the negativity from people in our area about our Team. We should just be proud that these boys made it to where they did. So stop this negative banter and bring it to the field next year.

  102. Evergreen Dad on December 11th, 2008 10:45 am

    Titan Dad, did you really say the evergreen school district will NOT allow any boundary exceptions into Union?? Wow! My understanding is that there were two ways to get kids into Union that did not live in the boundary. 1) Lie about your address & 2) Claim “depression” as the district did not want to deal with any mental health issues in court. I also want to say for the record that I fully supported Union’s team and their run to state. I was pulling for them to win it all. I have NOTHING against the players. However the district wanted a powerhouse team and through different ways of communication “under the table” the #1 and #2 were leaked to any and all that wanted to join the Titan family. I am not a Union hater or am out to discredit the program but what I stated is fact. If you disagree please provide factual evidence supporting your rebuttal. But I know you can’t as I have heard this from the mouths of Union players themeselves and several parents and others that I will not name. Of course NOW with the new WIAA rule there is no “one time” free transfer for a student under certain circumstances that allow him to particiapte in sports like the Prairie basketball player did last year going to Skyview. Also the district is now asking for utility bills to confirm addresses from parents. This was NOT the case prior to this school year. So it will be much harder now for a student/athlete to lie about his/her address so he/she can play sports at Union.

  103. spainwa on December 11th, 2008 10:52 am

    Titan Dad,

    You meant to address your point to Camas Fan, not Union Fan, correct ?

    Camas Fan, there are no half century old schools in the district. Evergreen HS just had a huige remodel completed. Camas HS with two Field Turf fields ain’t too shabby of a school.

    Can students transfer in to Union from other HS ? Yes, if there are classes that they can’t take at their HS. For example, Union offers Chinese and no other HS in the district offers it.

  104. Titan Dad on December 11th, 2008 12:01 pm

    I apologize for that, I did mean to say Camas Fan

    Why then blame the team for parent’s that lie about there living arrangements to get there son or daughter into Union. People have said that Union has cherry picked all the best athletes from the area, which we know is not the truth. If they wanted the best players then why wasn’t Tyrell Hudson, Zach Chapman and a host of other great players on the Team? I just think that there are too many negative people out there that can’t just be happy to see teams do well. I support all teams in our area and wanted to see Skyview, Camas, Columbia River all do well in the playoffs. We all need to support the schools in the area if we want to get some respect from the Seattle Schools who think we don’t know how to play football in SW Washington.

  105. Evergreen Dad on December 11th, 2008 3:09 pm

    Never was blaming the players. Just the district for a poor job of handling the new school compared to others around the state that had little or no problems with these kinds of issues. This was because the rules were strictly adhered to in those cases. Both Hudson and Chapman are great players but did you ever think they may have wanted to stay at their respective schools for other reasons than just football? Union does not have the “ability” to “cherry pick” or “make” players come to their school but they’re are other ways to woo kids over who think that life is only about sports at the expense of character and integrity. Parents who buy into the belief that the grass is greener on the other side and are willing to lie about addresses or play the depression card for their young athletes are also at fault here as well being poor examples to their young men. I support all SW Washington football programs and am a Union supporter but there have been some issues here with this. I truly believe you know this as well many others do. It’s no secret.

  106. Stix on December 11th, 2008 3:17 pm

    I have read everyone’s posts on here and there is one thing we all are forgetting… It’s about he kids! We spend way too much time complaining about everything. Whether it be hand picking kids to whether or not Camas will beat Union next year or the years to come. We have to remember we are talking about kids. As a fan and a parent of a Union student I am shocked at the effort some of you put in to bad mouthing kids. Maybe I am totally off base here but that is the impression I got from reading all these posts.

  107. Josh on December 11th, 2008 3:21 pm


    Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. haha

    bellvue probably did have the better players,
    without union and bellvue’s top guys.

    and I also agree with you about good teams making adjustments.
    when my dad played college ball, his teams talent level was HORRIBLE.

    but the coach and the players all adjusted and made it to the championship game.
    they were up 24-10 with 3 minutes left and then subsequently lost 25-24, but I do believe that the coaching made all the difference,
    and in bellvue’s case, their coach out-coached unions coach…hope that made sense haha.

    So although I think union had a great chance to win that game,
    bellvue would probably win 80% of the games against union since they are a more experienced, better coached team.

  108. Josh on December 11th, 2008 3:27 pm


    no you’re completely on base.

    I have also downgraded the kids’ effort here,
    and I have to apologize.

    object of the game is to have fun and if you win, you win.

    bottom line we, the kids, will put everything we have into playing the game and that should be all everyone else has to ask for.

  109. bhs on December 12th, 2008 3:41 am

    “”have you ever considered that maybe I’m saying some of these things just to get you fired up? YES, BELLEVUE IS PHYSICAL. Yes, I played football for years and know all about football. I still stand by my opnion that Union works just as hard and is just as physical as Bellevue. Settle down and deal with it. It’s my opinion. Yes, Bellevue had some big hits in taht game, including a couple rag doll tackles to Union’s 5′10, 170 lb QB. Union didn’t get a lot of great hits because of Bellevue’s novelty act, chinese fire drill offense. I think it is a “sissy” offense because they are relying on you not being able to find who has the ball. HELLO. It’s like the little dork in school that hits the tough guy/bully and then takes off running. I don’t call that a physical offense. If union wasn’t frozen trying to figure out who had the ball, it’s a different game.

    Don’t freak out if someone thinks your team isn’t any more physical or is beatable. It’s my opnion. I sometimes wonder what you guys (specifically the ones calling me out by name) are really like in person. If you realyl played the game for years like I have, or are some dork-like team manager or just life long fan. Get a life and quit calling me out by name. You don’t even knwo who you are talking to.”"

    Michael H, i actually am going to call out by name, and i did start both ways on bellevue this year. yes you have strong opinions, has it ever crossed your mind that your strong opinions are wrong? ill answer it for you, no. nobody is “freaking out” they are just calling you out because your arguments have horrible logic. You are relating an offence that absolutely tore up unions defence to a “little dork in school that hits the tough guy/bully and then takes off running.” Watch the game film and watch the battle of the O and D line, you will see that our offence is not so sissy after a few minutes of watching your D line get pancaked…. You have too much pride built up to even see the other side of the argument that maybe our offense is legit and maybe union wasn’t as good of a team as we were this year. You were taking smack before the game boasting about how union has defended the wing-t before and how its just another game for them, and now you are just making excuses after your team was thrashed 35-6! you need to learn how to accept defeat

  110. PLAY FAIR on December 12th, 2008 9:07 am

    I would like someone to provide some information on the Bellvue football team that would settle the arguements about recruiting. The telling statistic we would like to see….During Bellvues amazing run over the past years, what percentage of their players have come from outside the BHS boundaries? i.e. transferred in to the football program. I would be willing to bet it is the highest percentage of any 3A school in the state BY FAR. i have no way of getting those numbers, and I’m sure the Bellvue faithful would never make it public, but come on, we all know whats going on. In 2004 when Bellvue won state they had 30+ players on that team from out of district. i think I remember that stat coming from the newspaper? could be wrong, but I doubt it. So, take away the recruits, transfers, what evver you want to call them and Bellvue does not come close to the success they have had. A good solid program, no doubt. MAYBE along the lines of the REAL football programs in the state, Lynden, Ferndale, Prosser, I’m talking about teams that reload from their own middle schools, not the greater Seattle area. So enjoy the state Titles Bellvue, no one is going to come take the trophies from your trophy case, but you are blind and ignorant to think the rest of the state doesn’t know whats going on over there. Just play Fair.

  111. knute on December 12th, 2008 10:06 am

    Play Fair, I have done some research on this and here is what I have determined. Bellevue DOES NOT CHEAT…and I’m a Union fan. I have tried to ascertain the same data and pushed pretty hard. This is a quote from someone close to the program.

    ‘…I will tell you right now the entire starting line up both ways with the exception of one or two players has lived within the school district and the “neighborhood” which involves Medina, Clyde Hill, Woodridge, and Enatai for just about their whole lives or when they first came in the state. Those other starters live within the Bellevue School district more close to Newport and Sammamish but they have been approved by every regulation by the WIAA along with the others who don’t even start believe me Bellevue’s AD and the WIAA have a pure microscope on Butch and the program it is ridiculous.’

    The only thing that I am not certain about is this thing called ‘open enrollment’. I hear it’s a thing of the past, but then I have also heard differently. The other high schools that are referenced above are also located in City of Bellevue. Open enrollment allows the resident of Bellevue to attend ANY of the high schools in the City or district. So, by the rules these other two that he mentions could possiby be attending this school under this policy.

    Someone mentioned here that Evergreen School District is going to this format next year. I would like to hear more about that as we should resist this!

    The final part of the quote is the most important. Bellevue’s program has been examined & investigated and to this day this is the case. They are clean, maybe they do a couple things that should not be part of High School Football. But, they don’t cheat, everything is on the up & up there.

    What us Union fans need to do is acknowledge the excellence of this program and do not try to take anything away from their accomplishments as they have earned them through hard work & comittment. What we should be focusing on is how best to emulate their success. We have the community support, we have the facilities, we have the coaching staff, we have the parental support and most of all we have a bunch of young men who are willing to put in the work and ascend to this level of excellence. We should put the emphasis where it belongs on us and not on anyone else.

  112. Michael H on December 12th, 2008 2:34 pm


    I played one year at Evergreen, backing up an all state first-teamer, not all league. I feel at most other schools I would have started at the position, not that any of it matters now. I had this head coach that the year before and summer prior to senior year that was always telling me i should join the team, and taht I reminded him of another all state receiver/safety Evergreen had a couple years prior, that ended up going to play at Air Force…basically saying everything you would want to hear. I join the team my senior year, and let’s just say a lot happened. I was an idiot 17 yr old kid. I played serveral years of ball prior to my time at Evergreen , so that’s what I meant by playing for “years.”
    …I was just trying to say I know the game.

    As for BHS, I give Bellevue all the credit in the world. Read some of the twiiter updates from the game and what I said about Bellvue. I have more than accepted the defeat. Bellevue clearly was better. I just don’t think it would be the same if they didn’t run that offense. Lakes has some very physical, impressive athletes as well, but they didn’t do the deceptive stuff. That was the big difference. Bellevue would not run over and through Union if Union wasn’t confused and frozen/slowed by the fancy show in the backfield. I think Bellevue looked more physical because Union’s defense was caught more thinking and looking around instead of being physical. You had them right where you wanted them. Ferndale’s Wing T was nothing compared to Bellevue’s. It’s a whole different ball game. Bellevue defintely has something going for them up there. That’s for sure. I just don’t know what I think of it.

    But to be honest, I shouldn’t have stooped to this level and gotten caught up in this blog and “talking tough” back and forth, or whatever you call it. I help the owner of this site, and have been very unprofessional in the way I have been commenting. Talking tough online is nothing. I should’ve just let it go and I’m going to now.

  113. Michael H on December 12th, 2008 2:37 pm

    BHS, would you mind saying who you are, or what number or position you are? I haven’t seen much of the game since I saw it in person.

  114. get em on December 12th, 2008 10:31 pm

    oh blast those bellevue players they’re using deception…teams should just pound it up the middle every time so the defense knows whats going on….and you know what even ticks me off more…those plays where the qb fakes a run to the rb then passes the ball idk what it’s called?, a play action pass or something like that?

    (if you didnt catch it, i was being sarcastic)

    every offense has some form of deception in it whether it be play action for some, draw plays, and in the case for Bellevue a whole bunch of fake handoffs using their wing-t offense….they’re all meant to keep the defense guessing and off guard and making them think and hesitate so they can’t make the play…it’s the whole point…what would you rather see, a team that just punches it up the middle every time with the defense just there ready to make the tackle…..think!

    plus im pretty sure BHS is not even on the football team

  115. PLAY FAIR on December 12th, 2008 10:39 pm

    knute, Your so called research is talking to a Bellvue fan? wow, thats convincing!

  116. knute on December 13th, 2008 1:02 am

    Hey, listen…Play Fair, your being a poor sport and a gigantic dumbass. Who would you rather have me ask? Someone who doesn’t know a thing about it? Is it fair that you make ascertations based on no facts? The program is legit and operates within the rules. No program in the state is more closely watched than Bellevue. It is time to accept the defeat and move on.

  117. PLAY FAIR on December 14th, 2008 11:47 am

    knute, based on your numerous posts on this board you seem to have a lot of time on your hands, so i suggest you do a little further research and you will findout who the dumb ass is. Maybe you need to read my post again, did I ever say they did not operate “within” the rules? there are plenty of ways to get around the rules, and Bellvue has perfected that. i have followed this program a long time, I know what happens there and so does anyone else who knows anything about Bellvue football. Bottom line is, they have had more tranfers, players from out of district, than any other program. Is it Legal?? maybe, but I doubt it. Is it FAIR to the rest of the programs, NOT EVEN. As the WIAA has increased their watch, Bellevue has made sure to cover its tracks. Go back a few years and do some investigating and you will see what I am talking about, on those championship teams, there was a high % of players from out of district. Talk to a few people from schools in that area and you will see what I’m talking about. How long have you followed Bellvue football? (a couple weeks now)? And you talked to one bellvue fan and your ready to say the past 8 years are all legit? You need to crawl out from your little rock in Vancouver before you go calling people dumbass. You have no friggin clue what your talking about.

  118. knute on December 14th, 2008 7:03 pm

    I’m going to quote a very wise man ….’So, much like their offense, the program itself seems is also based on a little speed & deception’ – who was that wise man? Oh yeah, it was ME! Since you mention my past posts here, presumably you read them. I have been super critical of Bellevue, I see things that I am philosophically opposed to. I have said that they murder the spirit of the rules. Go ALL the way back, read everyting I have said. I think that you & I are arguing the same point.

    My initial point was to say that Union should maintain their integrity and opt up to 4A. Don’t wait another year, do it next year. To stew over the Championship game for two weeks is pointless. Accept the fact that it is over, look inward, consider your options, decide what to do and act. Opt up, Union!

  119. bhs on December 15th, 2008 12:21 am

    im #10 as a matter of fact, watch the film. keep hating on bellevue PLAY FAIR and we will keep winning!!!!

    im outta here

  120. 6"4' 230 (All of my BFF's go to union) on December 15th, 2008 8:18 am

    All I have to say is that Bellevue was and is a great program… and probably always will be a great program as long as they have their coaching staff together. Union is becoming a great program and if their coaching staff stays together, then they could create a great dynasty like Bellevue.

    In all seriousness though, QB number 7 for Union is basically like Doug Flutie. . . he has crazy sweet scrambling abilities, not the fastest QB but is very quick. He has good accuracy and throws a great deep ball! Plus hes probably the coolest QB to chill with besides Hunter Vanderpool #12 for BGHS. Look out for #55 and #59 next year for Union.. holy crap! By the way when I was at the state championship game I literally had no idea where the ball was the whole time Bellevue had posession.

  121. 6"4' 230 (All of my BFF's go to union) on December 16th, 2008 6:34 pm

    That little QB #8 for BHS had some mad skills. I couldn’t find that ball.

    I look for next seasons Union sqwad to post some mad numbers. They will lose some mad seniors like Dex, and Maddog.

    Keep up the hard work boys, look forward to seeing some mad results next year, we’ll chill after the games at the Robin.

  122. 6"4' 230 (All of my BFF's go to union) on December 16th, 2008 6:41 pm

    Man that BHS QB #8 had mad skills. I couldn’t find the ball, whered it go?

    My boys at UHS are going to put up some mad numbers next year even though their losing some key seniors like Dex, and Maddog there my boys.

    I look forward to chillin with some cool dudes like #7, #55, $59, #18, #12, $42, #23, #75, #62(lets drift), #68, 66, #38,and #79. These are my BFFs forever.

    Have a mad holiday break, keep safe.

  123. bT34 on December 18th, 2008 5:21 pm

    Its funny because even these people you do say that werent in the district, about 90% of them dont ever end up starting. Also if you say talented teams never lose, look at Bellevue’s 2005 team, every player would end up going D1 or intended to go D1 who started on that team. They lost to issaquah in the regular season and Prosser in the quarterfinals. It isn’t about who has more talent, it is about who has the most heart and who commits the fewest mistakes and Union had that all year but Bellevue was too focused and too hungry. Union would obviously beat Skyline, Bellevue would beat Skyline, I am willing to even put a bet O’dea and Lakes could beat Skyline next year, but who cares THEY ARE OVERRATED AS HELL and we all know that, everyone in the state knows the best football is played in 3A. Union belongs where the best football is and that is in 3A/

  124. GSHLFan on December 21st, 2008 12:36 am

    Just to speak on the topic of Union and recruiting, Fact is they do, under the right circumstanses in the future, I will provide the Voicemails and text messages from some of their coaches and priciple trying to recruit my son prior the the building being opened. This practice is still taking place as several parents of area middle schoolers are bring this issue to the attention of the superintendent right now. Another student is being recruited right now from ahother school in the district who will be a senior. He has been toured through Unions by the pricipal and regularly contacted about transfering.

    This is a practice being done by several of their programs, their wrestling coach has been to my neighbors house several times talking to their son about going there rather than HS he is supposed to attend, even though they are well within that boundary!!

    These practices may not all be breaking the rules, but they are bending them to a point that all will suffer. Union, unlike most/all other schools feels the need to attept to steal athletes from other schools rather that coaching the kids who show up! To me, that is extreamly unethical and ultimately what goes around, comes around!!!

  125. cheater cheater pumkin eater on December 21st, 2008 5:46 pm

    how bout the Nguyen brothers, were they starters??????

  126. GSHLfootballer on December 24th, 2008 10:03 pm

    All i want for christmas is a 6’6 300 lb Offensive/Defensive tackle.

  127. 40 on December 25th, 2008 1:56 am

    I think you scared all the Onion fans with your post GSHLfan.

  128. fred on December 25th, 2008 2:26 pm

    GSHL, you should learn to spell correctly. I would be shocked if any coaches who mattered actually made phone calls to recruit anyone. I see a lot of people here complaining about kids not living in the boundary, but many times kids come from split homes where one parent lives in one school’s boundary, and the other parent lives in another. Also, I imagine that any principal of any school would show kids and parents around who showed up on their doorstep expressing interest in coming to the school. All of this petty jealousy is getting boring. And why on earth would you save texts and voicemails? Do you think you’ll be on 60 minutes or something? Get a life. And what do you mean about what comes around goes around? That Union will get kids taken from it?

  129. 6'6" 300lb. Lineman on December 25th, 2008 5:49 pm

    Hey I’ll play for union! I’m about to move there…
    And I’ve been playing for 12 years…
    Anyway merry Christmas y’all

  130. bT34 on December 25th, 2008 10:37 pm

    Yes the Nguyen brothers were starters and if you are trying to say that they didn’t live in the district, which they do live in the Bellevue School District, I only said 90% usually never make a great impact not ALL of them.

  131. GSHLFan on December 26th, 2008 9:44 am

    You are right, I should have spell checked! However, spelling does not change the facts! And prepare to be shocked!! Union is “Recruiting” and they are recruiting players, not students! Their principal is putting forth the effort to contact these kids, not the other way around. Rules are rules and they are in place for good reason. Transferring to a school for athletic reasons is not allowed, nor is transferring within a multi-school district such as the Evergreen SD. Read:

    Changing residence is a legitimate reason, you are right. However fabricating an address so you can transfer is not! Things that took place when Union first opened are done; nothing can change what has happened. Union’s success is a result of assembling an “All-Star” team of the area athletes. At the time, there were no rules in place for transfer students within a district, at least no rules such as the ones just approved by the WIAA. Union has made their run, and will now have to get by on coaching the kids they get instead of raping the other schools in the area of its talent. If they continue their recruiting practices, there will be consequences! Time will tell and honesty will prevail over shady and unethically practices.

    GSHL football is better for Unions run this year, we all now know that the gap between SW Washington and the rest of the state has closed and I look forward to next season!

    P.S. Fred, I do have a life, and it is lead by honesty and integrity. I keep my ear to the ground instead of my head in the sand! How about you?

  132. cheater cheater pumkin eater on December 27th, 2008 7:15 pm

    how long have the nguyen brothers lived in the bellvue district?

  133. john on December 27th, 2008 10:52 pm

    GSHLfan. YOU ARE AN IDIOT. first and foremost i had to say that. SECONDLY, you’re pathetic and i would LOVE for you to produce these texts and voicemails about your son. I think its fantastic that youre trying to make your son seem so important like he was “recruited” by Union. You make it sound like “Union wanted him, but he was too good to go there.” B.S.! You’re a grown man acting like a child. When people get jealous they accuse people and they make excuses. And that’s exactly what you’re doing. Do us all a favor, go have another beer, ponder your thoughts, and come back when you have something relevant to say. You’re a JOKE. And by the way, when a student comes to a school expressing interest and going there and saying they want a tour, the school HAS TO GIVE IT TO THEM. It’s a district mandate you idiot. They cant sit there and say, “Oh, well you play football so we cant give you a tour because people might think we’re recruiting.” And the player youre referring to, Heritage’s Matsubara, was NEVER contacted about going to Union. EVER. Get your facts straight. I never thought an adult could be so childish and ignorant.

  134. GSHLFan on December 28th, 2008 11:54 pm

    Ignorance is bliss, and the ALL CAPS REALLY MAKE YOUR POINT!! Not sure about the Matsubura from Heritage you mentioned, but your knowledge means that there or more than I was aware of seeking or being sought by Union. Believe what you wish, I know the facts that I have experienced firsthand, and have been given directly from other firsthand sources. This isn’t about my son, it is about right and wrong. The truth will come soon enough, and all will be revealed!

    It seems that the only people on here who see nothing wrong with recruiting or their refusal to believe that it is taking place are Union fans.


    Be careful throwing around insults. Your post has revealed that you can’t read, have no reading comprehension, or suffer from ADHD as you could not read the additional posts in the line!

  135. Football Fan on December 29th, 2008 10:29 pm

    Union might have to recruit because Camas is going to be good next year.

  136. smack on December 31st, 2008 6:53 pm

    Sounds like Onion is patterning their program after bellvue. Go get the best players in the greater Vancouver area and win at all costs. Only difference is the Seattle area is a quite a bit bigger and Bellvue has been at it for a long time. looks like Bellvue again in “09″…

  137. Camas Athlete on February 13th, 2009 11:16 am

    Union is the biggest over rated athletic program I have ever heard of. However I do give some credit to the football but not much since the pull cheep shots in just about every game they play. These are not your usual doesn’t really matter cheep shots. These are just plain bad.If they had been seen by refs union would have had several players ejected from games. Example, during the Camas vs. union football game after a union player sacks our QB the kid gets up and kicks him which ends up injuring him for the rest of the game! What kind of player thinks he has to pull a move like that to help his team win? Also we lost that game by 9 without Quinton Beasley. And for you union fan who says the Evergreen school district doesn’t allow boundary exceptions into Union. How many examples do you want me to give you of boundary exceptions into union. Also I have a family member with inside knowledge about this subject who works for the Evergreen school district with friends in high places. Here is a statement from him. And i quote ” Union high school and the Evergreen school district aren’t publically saying that kids can get boundary exception into union, but every kid that applies for a boundary exception to union will have that boundary exception granted.” Sorry union but you can’t lie about the facts. Camas is going to be a lot better then people think. If you think that the Freshmen class is good and deep look at the Sophmore class in every sport! Not to mention the good returnig class of Junior players.

  138. Kiki on February 18th, 2009 2:26 pm

    Camas Athlete. Get over it.
    When will the Titan Trashing end?
    We know you’re mad about your season.
    Oh well.

    You just weren’t good enough.

  139. Fan of the U on February 18th, 2009 3:43 pm

    Camas Athlete – I think you need to spend a little less time whining on blogs and spend a little more time hitting your grammar and comp homework. Do you own a dictionary? Do they teach English at Camas? Are you familiar with shift F7?

    Do you really know the family situation of each kid on the Union team? Let me answer that for you – no. Kids end up at different schools for a variety of reasons, not just sports. Union has several AP courses (that’s Advanced Placement since I kind of doubt you know what that means based on your writing skills) that aren’t available in other schools of the Evergreen District. Their boundary also encompasses the majority of new home building on the East side of Vancouver. I am personally aware of several families that bought their current home just to be in the Union boundary because they expected it to be a great school and want that opportunity for their children. I am also personally aware of several students at Union whose parents have divorced and one lives in the boundary and one doesn’t. These kids use the address of the parent in the Union boundary – perfectly acceptable under the district rules. Union is a great school and it’s a desireable place for a lot of kids to attend – not just for the football team.

    Quit throwing your empty interences around. If you have facts about a specific player – and know that your are correct and not just gossiping – then let’s hear them. Otherwise you need to go back to your school that refuses to move up to 4A ,eventhough they are dancing on the enrollment numbers, and read a book or something -but definitely work on that education before you enroll at Clark.

  140. Camas Fan on February 24th, 2009 11:00 pm

    I want to know who runs this website and why they have an obvious bias for Union and against Camas. Just look at the video section. Only Camas losses.

  141. j-dog on February 27th, 2009 6:07 pm

    because union is obviously the better team.. its simple physics..

  142. Camas Fan on February 28th, 2009 8:15 am

    The Camas “Sophomore” threw for 240 yards against the 2 best corners in the league, who are now gone. Do you think the Union coaches might be a little nervous going into next years game at Doc Harris.

  143. Camas Fan on February 28th, 2009 8:16 am

    The quarterback kicker is also gone from Union.

  144. bob on February 28th, 2009 9:18 am

    Camas Fan. Why is “sophomore” in quotes? Was he not really a sophomore? Union has two freshmen coming up who will replace the corners easily. The quarterback kicker’s actions were questionable, but he didn’t really kick him, and it sure as [heck] didn’t put him out of the game. And, the only reason Camas’s losses are featured in because they haven’t won a state playoff game…ever?

  145. Camas Fan on March 1st, 2009 8:22 am

    Bob, are these 2 corners you are talking about going to be 1st team all league corners next year. I wish them luck, but Camas will put 400+ yards passing on them next year.

  146. kyle on March 2nd, 2009 8:47 am

    guess what? No one even likes Camas or Union. Haha. But seriously, no one does.

  147. Logan on March 2nd, 2009 10:48 am

    Camas Fan – The guy who runs the site doesn’t have a bias against Camas. It is just that he is one guy and isn’t able to make it to every game in the league. It looks like he was able to go to 3 Camas games, which is more than some of the other schools. Those 3 games just happened to be losses. I know he would love to have every Camas game as well as all of the other schools on here, so I’m sure he would love some help if you or anyone else from Camas could shoot and edit the videos for next years games to help him out and give more exposure to Camas.

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